Tuesday, 31 March 2009

The Golden Rule

Ancient Greek philosophy
The Golden Rule was a common principle in ancient Greek philosophy.
A few examples:
"Do not to your neighbor what you would take ill from him." (Pittacus)[3]
"Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing." (Thales)[4]
"What you wish your neighbors to be to you, such be also to them." (Sextus the Pythagorean)[5]
"Do not do to others what would anger you if done to you by others." (Isocrates)[6]
"What thou avoidest suffering thyself seek not to impose on others." (Epictetus)[7]
"It is impossible to live a pleasant life without living wisely and well and justly (agreeing 'neither to harm nor be harmed'[8]), and it is impossible to live wisely and well and justly without living a pleasant life." (Epicurus)[

Ethic of reciprocity
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It has been suggested that Norm of reciprocity be merged into this article or section. (Discuss) The Parable of the Good Samaritan
The ethic of reciprocity (also known as the Golden Rule) is an ethical code that states one has a right to just treatment, and a responsibility to ensure justice for others. Reciprocity is arguably the most essential basis for the modern concept of human rights, though it has its critics.
The norm of reciprocity is the social expectation that people will respond to each other in kind -- returning benefits for benefits, and responding with either indifference or hostility to harms. The social norm of reciprocity often takes different forms in different areas of social life, or in different societies. All of them, however, are distinct from related ideas such as gratitude, the Golden Rule, or mutual goodwill. See Reciprocity (social and political philosophy) for an analysis of the concepts involved.


The World Tree

The World Tree is a motif present in several religions and mythologies, particularly Indo-European religions. The world tree is represented as a colossal tree which supports the heavens, thereby connecting the heavens, the earth, and, through its roots, the underground. It may also be strongly connected to the motif of the tree of life.

Specific World Trees include Yggdrasil (or Irminsul) in Germanic mythology, the Oak in Slavic and Finnish mythology, and in Hinduism the Ashvastha (a Sacred Fig).

Sunday, 29 March 2009

Ferret in the Cathouse

I find the most annoying thing about a Ferret ENFP is their gullibility. If you are an honest Eagle INTP it makes me annoyed to see the Ferrets being taken in by the Charlatan Horsemen ESFJ with the gift of the gab (horseshit). Even worse they can be deceived by the Cat (ISFP) with even worse results from my point of view as Eagles don't get on with Cats (worst match) even worse than the Equine types. Then comes Cat Weasel and Caprice.


Everyone carries a shadow, and the less it is embodied in the individual’s conscious life, the blacker and denser it is. At all counts, it forms an unconscious snag, thwarting our most well-meant intentions.— Dr. Carl G. Jung

Saturday, 28 March 2009

Purple Hearts

Dialogue from the Kathleen Krajo web pages (now removed)

Especially when they hear idiots commenting, "Look, today he's acting like nothing happened. Well, okay, he has a terrible temper, but he's basically a good person, because see? he doesn't carry a grudge." The narcissist thinks, "Give that idiot an award!"

Psychiatric Charlatans

“The psychiatrist and his front groups operate straight out of the terrorist textbooks. The Mafia looks like a convention of Sunday school teachers compared to these terrorist groups… Thousands and thousands are seized without process of law every week over the "free" world, tortured, castrated, killed. All in the name of ‘mental health.’ Setting himself up as a terror symbol, the psychiatrist kidnaps, tortures and murders without any slightest police interference or action by western security forces.”

This does not mean I endorse Scientology. It is just as bad as psychiatry.

Temple of Cogidubnus

The guild of artisans and its members provide (this) temple to Neptune and Minerva at their own expense for the protection of the Divine House,[4] on the authority of Tiberius Claudius Cogidubnus, great king[5] of Britain (or "of Britons"). [...]dens, son of Pudentinus, donated the land.


Defenestration is the act of throwing someone or something out of a window. The term was coined around the time of an incident in Prague Castle in the year of 1618. The word comes from the Latin de (from; out of) and fenestra (window or opening).[1]
Although defenestrations can be fatal depending on the height of the window through which a person is thrown (see Falling), or lacerations from broken glass, the act of defenestration need not carry the intent or result of death.


Dialogue with a Hamster

Dialogue with a Hamster:
'Put a peg i it: it would be a hundred years and you still would not understand anything I say I do.'

Friday, 27 March 2009

Georgie Porgie

Georgie Porgie pudding and pie,
Kissed the girls and made them cry
When the boys came out to play,
Georgie Porgie ran away.

A Nursery Rhyme demonstrating the different attitudes between the sexes! Even at a very early age children in Britain would play a game called 'Kiss Chase' - in fact the girls would actually chase the boys and then kiss them! their were no tears from the girls but the boys fought like mad to get away! The origins and history of the lyrics to this nursery rhyme are English and refer to George (Georgie Porgie), the Duke of Buckingham, from 17th century English history. His dubious moral character was much in question! This, however, was overlooked due to his friendship with King Charles II until the parliament stopped the Kind intervening on his behalf - at this point all of the jealous husbands vowed to wreak their revenge causing Georgie Porgie to 'run away'!

The Evil Eye


Q. I'd like to know a bit more about the term "ayin horah" — the "evil eye."

Is there really such a thing, or is it merely superstition?


A. The term "evil eye" usually refers to something that attracts the attention of others and arouses their jealously. It might be a case of a particularly talented or beautiful child, of physical or mental prowess, of exceptional wealth and popularity, or any other form of success in life.
Drawing attention to oneself is likely to arouse envy and negative criticism. Unfortunately, man's baser nature may prompt him to find consolation in the downfall of those who have succeeded where he feels he has failed: "If I can't have a million dollars, at least let Sydney not have his million either."

Thursday, 26 March 2009

Psychology Notes

A psychology grad student an INTP (roughly) said that a good way to think about it is "Sensors see what is, while intuitives see what could be. Perceivers see things as fluid, while Judgers see them as static. Your NPs, then, invent worlds that are filled with possibilities and change moment by moment, while your NJs invent worlds that are fixed. Your SPs see things as they are, but understand that they can change, while your SJs see the world as it is as the only real or meaningful possibility."


Safety First

[quote=cryptonia;50567] I read something (posted in one of the stickies) that said that making an intp feel safe enough that they showed their emotions freely was the key to their heart, and judging by how I tend to feel around people who can do that to me, I believe it..[/quote]

I think that just about sums it up for me. If I feel safe, I am OK. To find somewhere safe is nigh impossible.


Against violence.

Against Bullies (ESTP) and Pony (ESFJ) girls.

Interfering other people and competing males.

Ambush attack by spurned rivals or Crazy Horses. (The lady has to be clear and shut the garage door.)

Where I can be appreciated (not judged prematurely). Thereby increasing confidence.

Prevention against causal relationships (possibility of damage from Sensors).

The Other has to be aware of ongoing intimidation and the effects this may have on the life of an INTP. This could be in the form of opposite gender unwanted stalkers.


Psychological Abuse

Psychological Abuse
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Psychological abuse, also referred to as emotional abuse is a form of abuse characterized by a person subjecting or exposing another to behaviour that is psychologically harmful. It involves the wilful infliction of mental or emotional anguish by threat, humiliation, or other verbal and non-verbal conduct. It is often associated with situations of power imbalance, such as abusive relationships and child abuse.

Psychological abuse may occur as bullying of individuals by groups, often children, or it may be by one partner in a relationship. In domestic abuse psychological abuse nearly always precedes physical violence when this occurs, and also accompanies it.
Modern technology had led to new forms of abuse, by text messaging and online cyber-bullying.

Methods of abuse include causing fear by intimidation, threatening physical harm to self, partner, children, or partner's family or friends, destruction of pets and property, forcing isolation from family, friends, or school or work.[1] More subtle tactics include putdowns, hiding objects such as keys, then putting them back without the victim seeing, and denial that previous incidents actually happened.

In domestic abuse victims are frequently in denial about the abuse and are often manipulated into thinking that they are to blame for it. Victims often find it hard to leave an abusive relationship for a variety of reasons, emotional, financial and sometimes religious.

Bob Dylan Lyrics

Bob Dylan lyrics page


J Words


Even More Dialogue

'He is a scientist, he reads books and is a friend of Fay. Got the drift?'

The Twat

Chapter 57: Jaundiced Eyes

The Psi Cop Pigeons (INXJ) with Jaundiced Eyes (Literally)

28 Moby Thesaurus words for "jaundiced eye":
bent, bias, envy, favoritism, forejudgment, green-eyed jealousy, green-eyed monster, heartburn, heartburning, horn-madness, inclination, jalousie, jaundice, jealousness, jealousy, leaning, one-sidedness, partialism, partiality, partisanship, preconception, predilection, prejudgment, prejudice, prepossession, twist, undetachment, undispassionateness

jaundiced - affected by jaundice which causes yellowing of skin etcicteric, yellow unhealthy - not in or exhibiting good health in body or mind; "unhealthy ulcers"

2. jaundiced - showing or affected by prejudice or envy or distaste; "looked with a jaundiced eye on the growth of regimentation"; "takes a jaundiced view of societies and clubs"discriminatory, prejudiced - being biased or having a belief or attitude formed beforehand; "a prejudiced judge"


J for Judgement, J for Jaundiced

Tuesday, 24 March 2009

Napoleon Hill

Napoleon Hill (October 25, 1883–November 8, 1970) was an American author who was one of the earliest producers of the modern genre of personal-success literature. His most famous work, Think and Grow Rich, is one of the best-selling books of all time. Hill's works examined the power of personal beliefs, and the role they play in personal success. "What the mind of man can conceive and believe, it can achieve" is one of Hill's hallmark expressions.[1][2] How achievement actually occurs, and a formula for it that puts success in reach for the average person, were the focus of Hill's books.

As recommended by Sienna

Introverted Perception

Introverted Perception as the leading process is what accounts for the delay or long processing time in unfamiliar territory and habitual because it sometimes occurs in familiar territory as well, when we decide to change the format of the mind manifesto.

Intuition is regarded as a faster unreliable process because it is based on the environment, and the intuition can vary whether as an NP I feel safe or not. The processing time may also be delayed by thinking, e.g. if there is a danger of a postponed ambush attack by jealous boyfriends or whatever.

Monday, 23 March 2009

Cat Weasel

This is an addition to an earlier post.

How the Ferret (ENFP) turns into a Cat (ISFP) Weasel explanation. It is the antics of a Cat third party that influences the gullible ENFP.

Friday, 20 March 2009

The Judge called Um

[quote=slowriot;49443]seriously stop it already. Judging and percieving is not a function, S/N and F/T are. Introversion and extroversion is whether you take an inward or outward perception at the world. Judging and percievíng is in corelation to what extroverted function you use, for percieving its on the N/S functions, judging is on T/F functions. That means for an INTP that the first function is introverted thinking, second function extroverted intuition. For ESFJ's first function extroverted feeling, second function introverted sensing.[/quote]

That's what the High Priest says.

In the Perseus system the NP dominant process is the Questor = Introverted Perception. The characteristic of this that you do not arrange your perception into a preorganized schedule, but just adsorb it to be allocated into your manifesto when appropriate (later). You could also be called a NP Psychedelic or Dragon. Some people associate such a personality with brain chemicals and magic mushrooms. However, this is thought to be incidental to the personality type. Such personality types are attracted to mind blowing experiences rather than the drugs altering their personality, unlocking their doors of perception. High powered NPs and even telepaths have been recognised (they are rare) from young people who have never taken drugs, never smoked and never got drunk. And I don't think they have overindulged in sex either.

Introverted Thinking or Introverted Intuition do not work as the primary process for me. I think this is likely to happen when the Perception score is higher than the Intuition and Sensing is not used. It is NOT expected to be Rational NT immediately. But it is not Irrational SF either. It may appear to outsiders this way though. Therein lies a personality problem. We need to speed up the Thinking process, or reduce Perception to be mainstream.

The Judge called Um.


More Dialogue

And the Counsellor (MS Sourpuss ISFP) said (to me); "Why can't you live in the present like everybody else", and the Taxi Driver (ESFJ) said "do you want a free trip to Nooky Corner". Of course, I declined.

Thursday, 19 March 2009

Chapter 56

The Shaw Trust Disaster

England: cheapskate charities use non-specialist counsellors (ISFP) and advisors (ISTJ) and these can be dangerously bad for clients. The INTP should never consult the Samaritans (ISFP) because the INTP-ISFP compatibility is a suicide match. They perceive the same things but what happens cognitively in the brains afterwards is completely different. The INTP should beware if the ISFP has a INTJ deputy and a ENTJ boss. The INTJ may work to the detriment of the client in secret. Beware! The ENTJ is impatient: a horrid mix.

A lot of this is the Sensor-iNtuition conflict. The two types simply do not communicate.

Wednesday, 18 March 2009

The River

Stream of consciousness (psychology)

Stream of consciousness refers to the flow of thoughts in the conscious mind. The full range of thoughts that one can be aware of can form the content of this stream, not just verbal thoughts. Commonly used experimental techniques, including self-reporting, gives easier access to verbal thoughts than to thoughts more closely connected to senses other than hearing and activities other than speaking and writing.

Chapter 55 Interlude

The Hamster and the Panda behind the jump.
Me, Eagle at the bar
watching the
Horse Lady + Eagle pair (old)
Wolf (m) + Butterfly girl* (centre of attraction) + the Dog boy
watching was the Pigeon (INXJ) middle-aged.

Another interlude: the Teacher ENFJ gets annoyed:

Previously a *Visions of Johanna face = ghosts of electricity

Monday, 16 March 2009

More Dialogue: Planet Waves

Men come from Mars and women from Venus.

I'll let you into a secret.

I come from Neptune, but I am thinking of changing my allegiance to Saturn.


Ist = to be -- 3rd person singular present tense
ig = adverb making suffix
keit = ness

war = to be -- 3rd person singular past tense

wird = to become -- 3rd person singular present tense - periphrastic future marker, takes infinitive

sein = to be -- infinitive

isness and wasness

what is was-ness and, also, what is will be-ness?
Warigkeit? Wirdseinigkeit?


Saturday, 14 March 2009

Can a Leopard change its spots?

Can a Leopard (ESTP) change its spots?

I am tempted to say, it can, but it is still a Leopard. Alas, I expect it can't change them when adult. A growing Leopard may change its spots slightly.

Black Panther

Melanism is most common in the Jaguar (Panthera onca), where it is carried by a dominant allele, and the Leopard (Panthera pardus), where it is due to a recessive allele, a pair or series of a gene. coding sequences.

Carrot of the Watch

Carrot Ironfoundersson


Adsorb for the Manifesto

Intuition and Sensing are a cognitive brain function, nothing to do with the gut. With intuition you process information directly into a knowledge base of your own experience, both past and present. Sensing on the basic animal level processes information on the immediate sense impressions. I link it to information storage of information and even animals do this. Twats (ESFJ) are often referred to as animals because of their inability to intuit. They can drive motor vehicles OK if it was not for the other traffic. Twats are salemans and drivers and they others as commodities or animals like them.Intuits do not always communicate. They may be from different planets. Try mixing a Psi Cop (psychiatrist) with a Druid Priest and they are not the same intuitive thought processes. This could be NJ and NP though.

A Sensor (like a Dog) will let things they do not understand go over the top of them.

An iNtuit (like a Hawk) will rise above it. Intuition says you do not pick a fight in a rival's camp, but a sensor will pick a fight anywhere.

PS: I am an INTP but I do not use Introverted Thinking as my primary process. Work that one out!? I am mostly NP= psychedelic perception or "Adsorb for the Manifesto".

What it means is a long processing time for information. Observe, Orient, Decide, Action.

I the OODA process the Observation process is lengthy, not instant as information is obtained. Too lengthy for functionality in an unfavourable environment, when the iNtuition says No!

In introvert mode, I am not deaf, the information is adsorbed. Not absorbed, which is sponging.

Psychological Disorders

Psychological Disorders: another list


Chapter 54 Alien Detection System

Chapter 54 Alien Detection System

A detection system used by aliens, the Snake People (ENTP) who can detect (if they believe their own sense impressions) the behaviour of the Blackhawks (INTJ) and their helicoptering of their team (Christians , Dark Star etc.) on to the Balcony. The Snake People are deaf, but can feel the vibrations.

Female Pig (ISTX) in Uniform

I think (according to the book) that young Idealists have romantic infatuations which are not crushing, but unfulfilling, because of lack of communciation (and sex) usually.

I usually took the first choice to run away, and the girl needs to get a grip. Some of them use handcuffs, others blackmail and violence. Just how much force is necessary before it turns into abuse?

Crushed to death by a Bear (ISTP), hounded by a Dog (ISTJ).

Friday, 13 March 2009

Click and Sparks

Originally Posted by Amittai
Hey alls, Do you ever notice when you meet someone that might click with you, you get incredibly euphoric and obsessive. I wonder if this is a INFJ reaction, or just love-sickness that everyone goes through. I believe we INFJs take falling in love in a certain unique way. One thing I've noticed is that when the euphoria starts to subside, we start picking at the "flaws" of the significant other we are interested in...Just wanted to open a broad discussion on INFJs and love... shoot...


Reads like a mistaken INFJ Skylark attraction to the independent and often available Cats (ISTP). They instinctively know the Cats are on a Wayward Bus.

That is just a click. What about a spark?

Pigeon Shoot

I'm thinking I'm INTJ though, because I am what some people would call a control freak. I will go behind people and "fix" what they didn't do right just because it bugs me otherwise. Is this an INTJ thing?[/QUOTE]

This is INXJ ghastly behaviour right down to a tee. You could get murdered by an INTP for such behaviour.
It is called the Pigeon Shoot.

Control freaks are ESFJs.

Thursday, 12 March 2009

Beware of the Jaguar

Going Turtle (INXP) is not advised against the speedy Jaguar (ESTP) most dangerous* of the Big Cats. This one can bite through your skull, not just sever your spinal cord. You have to fly away like an Eagle (INTP). Best bet would be a Peregrine (INTP with a lower Perception and quicker flight).

* Shock tactics predation.

Beware of the Hornet

I am not so sure all the figures are accurate on the chart, but it gives a rough view.

With a pinch of salt though. The INTP has compatibility 21+14 for the ENFP (Ferret) but an awful 2+3 for the ESFP (Butterfly). Using the Paragon scale the Possom (ENFP var) with an Intuition of 7/12 would not be much different from a Hornet at N 6/12.

Honky Tonk Lagoon

Originally Posted by JoeMetallic
Sometimes I thing I give off a different body language than what I'm actually feeling. Probably makes me look like an asshole. I think I'm a pretty good judge at body language too.Here's a story. INTJs and INTJ acquaintances, tell me if you agree/disagree.A friend of mine (who may actually read this) is skilled at amazing and baffling people with his mad card skills and his mentalism techniques. I have seen him cause someone to forget his own name. I asked him if he would perform a mentalist demonstration on me. He said, "No, it won't work. You're a fortress.


"Don't say that in the Cathouse. All the Perceivers have better body language watching skills than INTJs. They may even see through the Masquerade (although not always consciously).

When Ruthie says come see her
In her honky-tonk lagoon
Where I can watch her waltz for free'
Neath her Panamanian moon
And I say, "Aw come on now
You know you know about my debutante"
And she says, "Your debutante just knows what you need
But I know what you want"
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile With the Memphis blues again.


I think Sensor-Perceivers are the best at reading moods (not thoughts) through body language. Intuitive-Perceivers can read unconscious thoughts if they are HIGH enough. This is fantastic.

Ferret & Eagle

Ferret (ENFP) and Eagle (INTP) would be a good match apart from one important thing. Their compatability with friends. Both are enemies of the Lionheart or Cattle Baron (ESTP). But the Ferret can tolerate the Horseman (ESFJ) whereas the Eagle (INTP) cannot for very long and the Snake (ENTP) just spooks them.

I have put the compatability charts at

They are right (from experience) but the greater danger comes with pairings. An ENTP (Snake) facing the adversial combination of a ESFJ & ENFP (Horse & Weasel) or ESFJ & ISTP (Horse & Panda) is heading for trouble. Even worse is an INTP (Eagle) coming against a ESFP & ISFJ (Panther & Mouse) which pretty well explains all my problems.

Worse is the Horseman (ESFJ) and the Sourpuss (ISTP).

Back at the Barrow

Originally Posted by schwarzinexile
This is kind of related to Arekka's thread, but since her friend's problem seems to have been resolved, I figured I'd move it over to here.I was thinking about different reasons for withdrawing from the world, and different types of withdrawal from the world, stuff like that. And what I noticed from my past experiences in life is that the times I do withdraw and become more reclusive tend to be very transitional times in the way I think and behave. Here I'm talking about conscious withdrawal, instead of those times when I just don't happen to be socializing. I can understand how it would be upsetting to those around me, but there's times when I feel like I need it psychologically. I can think of three month stetches where I deliberately refused to initiate conversations with anyone, because I had a lot I needed to sort out in my brain.I was wondering if anyone else had had a similar experience, where they felt like they needed to withdraw from socializing as completely as possible in order to get their bearings.Though I can understand how it would be worrisome to those around me, I'm not entirely convinced that all withdrawals from society are completely unhealthy. Thoughts?


When the mist comes down to the watering hole, the Eagle (INTP) cannot see what is going on. This is called the Fog. Sometimes the Turtle (INXP) in its shell is better equipped to function. The Dragon (INFP) withdraws to its barrow and only goes out on crusades. The problem is (and Diogenes was not that bright) that you cannot withdraw from the world and earn your crust or your desires. Time passes by.

Chapter 53

The Cat Weasel (ISFP - ENFP) continuum is revealed. Magazine and journals (cf. Sad-eyed Lady).

In Eagle (INTP) matches who holds the whip hand?

Wednesday, 11 March 2009

An Eagle

Native American poem on the eagle

An eagle does not talk
an eagle listens
and her flight tells her story
and an eagle stops to listen to the river.

I am not so sure that Eagle is quite right ???

A Hawk (INTJ) is less likely to talk:


Monday, 9 March 2009

Mid-life Crisis

From: How we Develop our Personality Types
Quote: An age-old question which most people have pondered at some point in their lives is "why are we the way we are"? Unfortunately, I can't clue you in on the answer to that question in a really authoritative way, but I can tell you about work that has been done to determine how people's Personality Types are developed.

From 35 - 50 years
We pay attention to our fourth, inferior function. We feel a need to develop it and use it more effectively. Our INFJ begins to use his Extraverted Sensing function. He becomes more aware of his surroundings and begins to take in information from others in a more literal, practical sense. He continues to rely on his dominant Introverted iNtuitive function to take in information, but he is more able to use his Extraverted Sensing function than he has been before in his life. Some researchers have attested that the appearance of our inferior functions at this phase of life may be responsible for what we commonly call the "mid-life crisis".

Beware of the Cat with the Egyptian Ring

She's got everything she needs
She's an artist, she don't look back
She can take the dark out of nighttime
And paint the daytime black.

You will start out standing
Proud to steal her anything she sees
You will start out standing
Proud to steal her anything she sees

But you will wind up peeking through her keyhole
Down upon your knees.
She never stumbles
She's got no place to fall
She never stumbles
She's got no place to fall
She's nobody's child
The Law can't touch her at all.

She wears an Egyptian ring
That sparkles before she speaks
She wears an Egyptian ring
That sparkles before she speaks
She's a hypnotist collector
You are a walking antique.

Bow down to her on Sunday
Salute her when her birthday comes
Bow down to her on Sunday
Salute her when her birthday comes
For Halloween buy her a trumpet
And for Christmas, give it a drum.

Beware the artist as a Cat (ISFP).

Personality Cafe


Sunday, 8 March 2009

Simple Twist of Fate

People tell me it's a sin
To know and feel too much within.
I still believe she was my twin, but I lost the ring.
She was born in spring, but I was born too late
Blame it on a simple twist of fate.

Saturday, 7 March 2009

Big Silver Cross pendant on a necklace chain

Big Silver Cross pendant on a necklace chain

Always get the Wolf Lady (ENTJ) to pay for the meal the first time around. Then runaway; at least that is what I would do as I am an INTP. In my limited experience the Wolf Lady knows what she wants and is very used to getting it as well. She will know where she wants to go and the partner will have to comply. Mine wanted to go to Spain.

The physical sex bit is very important to them in a relationship, more than any other type (except perhaps the crazy Pony girl ESFJ). Their natural partner is the Cat ISTP, the horror partner for the INTP. The Wolf Lady would visit a male Cathouse. It saves them the bother of being nice to get what they want. That's why you don't pay for the meal.

Friday, 6 March 2009

Jungian System Illusions

Originally Posted by Inappropriate Behavior
I'm thinking TPIN. At least that's the order I see for myself.


This is very interesting and if your self analysis is true, I conclude it actually makes the whole Myers-Briggs Jungian style flawed and an illusion.

How did I reach this conclusion: PNIT (as I am an Introvert not an Extrovert, just a careless mistake)

Using my primary process Perception, I did not judge this world view to be correct until I looked into it further
My auxiliary Intuition said it was ingenious
My Introvert said "keep my mouth shut to the INTJs" (cause they would crucify me)
My Thinking said it was an "inductive leap" and all the problems such leaps cause.

I still a supporter of this way of thinking cause it is better than Millon.

I expect anybody with a Perception level of 11.5/12 and knowledge (Intuition) and thinking (IQ 122+) could actually reach the same conclusion. The snag is nobody will believe it because their Perception is rarely than high.

Different Drummers

If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.
Henry David Thoreau

Excerpted from Please Understand Me II Copyright © 1998 by David Keirsey

If I do not want what you want, please try not to tell me that my want is wrong.
Or if I believe other than you, at least pause before you correct my view.
Or if my emotion is less than yours, or more, given the same circumstances, try not to ask me to feel more strongly or weakly.
Or yet if I act, or fail to act, in the manner of your design for action, let me be.
I do not, for the moment at least, ask you to understand me. That will come only when you are willing to give up changing me into a copy of you.
I may be your spouse, your parent, your offspring, your friend, or your colleague. If you will allow me any of my own wants, or emotions, or beliefs, or actions, then you open yourself, so that some day these ways of mine might not seem so wrong, and might finally appear to you as right -- for me. To put up with me is the first step to understanding me. Not that you embrace my ways as right for you, but that you are no longer irritated or disappointed with me for my seeming waywardness. And in understanding me you might come to prize my differences from you, and, far from seeking to change me, preserve and even nurture those differences.
The point of this book is that people are different from each other, and that no amount of getting after them is going to change them. Nor is there any reason to change them, because the differences are probably good, not bad.
People are different in fundamental ways. They want different things; they have different motives, purposes, aims, values, needs, drives, impulses, urges. Nothing is more fundamental than that. They believe differently: they think, cognize, conceptualize, perceive, understand, comprehend, and cogitate differently. And of course, manners of acting and emoting, governed as they are by wants and beliefs, follow suit and differ radically among people.

Differences between Keirsey and MBTI

Differences between Keirsey and MBTI

I think both the Keirsey and Myers-Briggs are a bit limited in the way they deal with the myriads of personalities. Ingenious world systems created by rationals may even be an illusion but especially appealing to the Hawks (INTJ) who make a judgement call before adsorbing the information like an Eagle (INTP). There is a usefulness in prediction of events and writing fiction and I have tested the former with remarkably accurate results. However, it does not work with NPs to a very great extent. Actually, it probably does work but the extreme Perceiving time span is so great and the window of opportunity so small that it is no practical use and a new system would have to be devised to be all encompassing (if that is what you want).
I am really fond of personality type personality profiles as they are not so cruel as social overlay world systems like the [URL="http://www.millon.net/taxonomy/index.htm%22]Millon[/URL] and the obscene psychiatry of the Fraudians.

Jung's typology was popularized in the United States by Myers-Briggs who added a fourth factor -- the judging-perceiving preference which relates to the propensity to stop perception to make a decision. The judging type does this sooner than the perceiving type.

I would go further than Myers-Briggs and fully incorporate the Judging-Perception scale as the most important.
I use Perception as my major MO in ordinary circumstances (unless I paid for a specific agenda, out of character type, most work involves this). The Guardians (SJ) of their personal interests do not like Dragons (NP) and will not answer the Questor. Nothing changes.

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Keirsey Temperament versus Myers-Briggs Types.
What's the difference?

Compared to the difference between astrology, or even other non-Jungian based theories or methods of classifying personality, there isn't much difference at a superficial level. However, there are some major practical differences and a large theoretical difference between the two bodies of work. The first essential difference is that Keirsey describes observed long term behaviorial patterns, Myers often describes what people have in mind. The second essential difference is Myers used a linear four factor model to characterize "invariant" patterns of behavior of the individual throughout their lifetime, whereas Keirsey uses a systems field theory model to characterize these patterns. Lastly, the problems of intelligence and madness, that is, what are they are and how they relate to temperament, was not effectively addressed by Jung or Myers.
To illustrate graphically, the difference between the two bodies of work, one can look at the following simplifications of how the each theory represents the "temperament" and "character" of an individual, although Myers did not explicitly address the notions of temperament and character.

Love will Die or Fly?

Love will die if held too tightly,
Love will fly if held too lightly.
Lightly, tightly, how do I know,
Whether I'm holding or letting love go?

Thursday, 5 March 2009


An alternative view of the system.
Instead of following the conventional system, you could (if you so desired) arrange your attributes in the order of highest importance.

e.g. (in my case) PNIT

So I could say my MO of my type is to first perceive (collect information rather than following an agenda), second to intuit (see the whole environment rather than to focus on specifics), introversion is narrow over thinking, so I should really keep things to myself (or I may express myself based on perception and intuition before thinking out the personal consequences and especially the personal feelings of the crazies) (SF).

In fact, I am going to so far that the Perseus system is better ! It is more realistic in following the motives of the others.

The opposite is a JSEF the Horse (or similar animal: Camel, Unicorn, Wild Mustang). Not only can the values of each initial vary, but the order of letters can vary as well. Each one has a different animal allocation.

Personality & Attitude

Unlike personality, attitudes are expected to change as a function of experience.


Sheldon’s “somatotypes” and their supposed associated psychological traits can be summarised as follows:
Ectomorphic: characterized by long and thin muscles/limbs and low fat storage; usually referred to as slim.
Mesomorphic: characterized by large bones, solid torso, low fat levels, wide shoulders with a narrow waist.
Endomorphic: characterized by increased fat storage, a wide waist and a large bone structure.

Wednesday, 4 March 2009

Heroic Archetypes

Carol Pearson, in Awakening The Heroes Within, describes twelve archetypes, each of which can go on a heroic quest. It is notable that some of these are not 'traditional' heroes in the sense of having archetypal strength of body or mind.


Well done. I first knew the term as "helicoptering" + "weasel" but "mongoosed" is more detailed. ESFJ & ENFP plot.

Best Partner

Although two well-developed individuals of any type can enjoy a healthy relationship, the INTP's natural partner is the ENTJ, or the ESTJ. The INTP's dominant function of Introverted Thinking is best matched with a partner whose personality is dominated by Extraverted Thinking. The INTP/ENTJ match is ideal, because these types shared Intuition as a common way of perceiving the world, but INTP/ESTJ is also a good match.

But suppose I suggest that my dominant function is Introverted Perception, then my best match would be Extroverted Perception which means a ESFP or ENFP. This might mean a girl musician/performer or female journalist.

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Jung's typology was popularized in the United States by Myers-Briggs who added a fourth factor -- the judging-perceiving preference which relates to the propensity to stop perception to make a decision. The judging type does this sooner than the perceiving type.

I have put the compatability charts at

Perseus J-P

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Tuesday, 3 March 2009

Chapter 52

The Burglary on the Home Front.

The Wolf makes the Fox cry, cause he really wants a Cat.


As an Architect of their own ideas a INTP with a high perception load (J 11/12 P) is not likely to take Keirsey or Myers-Briggs at face value. But bearing in mind a INTJ (with J 5/12 P) is going to be very alike a INTP (J 7/12 P).

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So, some ideas which the INTJ will automatically reject as wrong! The INTP may actually use Introverted Perception (new concept) as the primary function and Extraverted Intuition as auxilary. So instead of judging people at the first instance, (s)he may attempt to make communications, make connections or do telepathic scanning (intrusion).

An INTP might NOT trust the test results and devise his own.


Is the glass half full or liquid or half empty?

Half full
Half empty
Half full of liquid and half full of air
Does it move?

Monday, 2 March 2009

Dialogue: TV

"Have you got a flat screen telly? What size screen have your got?


"I have ...."

" We have ..."

Drive the Animals Crazy!

Strategies for balancing your type

Recognize that your Perception habits can drive Judgers crazy.

Literally in some cases.

The Judgers drive the Perceptives mad!

Sunday, 1 March 2009

Perseus System: J-P Scale

As in the work place the difference between Judgement and Perception is the major cause of conflict, I expect the same is important in all realms of life. Hence, the Perseus system would stress this difference more than the others with the Extroversion-Introversion one the least important.

SJ Guardian cf. NP Psychedelic
NJ Scientist cf. SP Artisan

TJ Manager cf. FP Disciple
TP Projector cf. FJ Messenger