Amygdala

Could the Feeling/Thinking and other cognitive processes be all to do with the amygdala ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdala

In complex vertebrates, including humans, the amygdalae perform primary roles in the formation and storage of memories associated with emotional events. Research indicates that, during fear conditioning, sensory stimuli reach the basolateral complexes of the amygdalae, particularly the lateral nuclei, where they form associations with memories of the stimuli.

The amygdalae also are involved in the modulation of memory consolidation. Following any learning event, the long-term memory for the event is not instantaneously formed. Rather, information regarding the event is slowly assimilated into long-term storage over time (the duration of long-term memory storage can be life-long), a process referred to as memory consolidation, until it reaches a relatively permanent state.

The amygdala processes reactions to personal space violations, and these reactions are absent in persons in whom the amygdala is damaged bilaterally.

Research using Rorschach test blot 03 finds that the number of ‘‘unique responses’’ to this random figure links to larger sized amygdalas. The researchers note, "Since previous reports have indicated that unique responses were observed at higher frequency in the artistic population than in the nonartistic normal population, this positive correlation suggests that amygdalar enlargement in the normal population might be related to creative mental activity.

Leopards and Iguanas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mina0727 The first time I took the personality test I was an ENTP. I recently took it again and it said I was an ESTP. Intuitive by 46% and sensing by 54%. How do I get an accurate assessment? Anyone have any insight?

http://personalitycafe.com/whats-my-personality-type/10072-am-i-entp-estp-post217815.html#post217815

In Perseus Modern Animism this would be a slinky Puma or Leopard ESTP or a fierce Lizard or Snake or Iguana.

Perhaps, less attractive, the Monitor Lizard ENTP.

What type is Bob Dylan?

What type is Bob Dylan?

At the film's savage climax, Friend attacks Uncle Sweetheart, and is in turn attacked by Fate then Cupid - who murders him. As we watch the journalist bleed to death, it's hard not to think that Fate/Dylan is getting his revenge for a lifetime of intrusion - but when Fate is falsely accused of the murder, and taken off for sentence, we realise that things are not as straightforward as that.

http://www.sonyclassics.com/masked/andrew-motion-essay.html

The recurring message of the Wicked Messenger throughout Dylan's poetry.

And the acceptance of Fate.

There was a wicked messenger

From Eli he did come,

With a mind that multiplied

The smallest matter

http://www.lyricsdirectory.com/index/B/Bob%20Dylan/Bob%20Dylan%20-%20The%20Wicked%20Messenger%20lyrics.htm

Been treated like a farm animal

On a wild goose chase

East of the Jordan, hard as the Rock of Gibraltar,

I see the burning of the page, Curtain risin' on a new age,

See the groom still waitin' at the altar.

Try to be pure at heart, they arrest you for robbery,

Mistake your shyness for aloofness, your shyness for snobbery,

http://www.metrolyrics.com/the-grooms-still-waiting-at-the-altar-lyrics-bob-dylan.html

Louise she's all right she's just near

She's delicate and seems like the mirror

But she just makes it all too concise and too clear

That Johanna's not here

The ghost of electricity howls in the bones of her face

The cloak and dagger dangles

Madams light the candles

In ceremonies of the horsemen

Even the pawn must hold a grudge

http://www.tsrocks.com/b/bob_dylan_texts/love_minus_zero.html

http://www.mp3lyrics.org/b/bob-dylan/visions-of-johanna/diff-1.htm

Do the kill-crazy bandits and the haters get you down?

Does the preachin' and the politics spin your head around?

Does the burning of the buses give your heart a pain?

Then you heard my voice a-singin' and you know my name.

Bob Dylan

http://bobdylan.com/songs/atravelin.html

What type was Margaret Thatcher ?

What type was Margaret Thatcher ?

She went to Oxford in 1943 and studied Natural Sciences, specialising in Chemistry.

In her foreword to the 1979 Conservative manifesto, Thatcher had written of "a feeling of helplessness, that a once great nation has somehow fallen behind." [3] She entered 10 Downing Street determined to reverse what she perceived as a precipitate national decline, characterised by a combination of high inflation, high unemployment and stagnant or slow growth. Her political philosophy and economic policies emphasised deregulation, particularly of the financial sector, flexible labour markets, and the selling off of state owned companies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Thatcher

NITP-"the loyalist"
The first of our value-heavy subtypes, the NITP creates an identity through adherence to usually one thought-style or system-style (which may evolve slowly over the years), finding the similarity of all things within this frame.

Isolation

Another significant problem arises where the ENTP has grown within or is locked by circumstances to an environment which limits their freedom or their ability to utilize their specific abilities. This forces the ENTP to narrow down their intuitive process to the point where it retains at least some freedom to operate within their life.

http://www.personalitypage.com/ENTP_per.html

Comment: when an INTP comes out of his/her shell he/she incurs the wrath (spooks) of the ESFJs. These Horse people can be a dangerous menace and destroy the opportunities for the INTP/ENTP causing them to become isolated. The problem is that the Guardians SJ really cannot appreciate that other people see things differently and will persecute people who do not share their narrow remit of the world.

The Art Collector

PTIN-"the collector"
The second in the physical/material subtype, the PTIN collects ideas into a centerless framework.

A variation on John Fowles "The Collector", and Art collector collects the Mascot Dragon PN from the Watch (Errol).

PT - Doer

He is her concubine (Phoenix).

Dialogue: Penguin etc.

Originally Posted by skycloud86 Do you think if penguins had the choice, they would choose to be able to fly rather than to be able to sledge?

Anitpodeans are always hard to classify. A Guillemot (flying Penguin) is not far off a Pigeon (INXJ) and in roughly the same category as Chickens and the smaller Tell Tale Tits. But Chickens are not cowards, although they can be the Wicked Messenger.

According to Terry Pratchett (Guards! Guards!) the Watch can have an underdeveloped Dragon (PN) as a Mascot (Errol). But the Dragons cannot be harshly punished (or treated like a Hamster ISFJ), and not even Dogs (ISTJ) especially Lion-chasers can be brutalised.

Crazy Harpy

Perseus System (Glaucus subrota) would have a "Crazy Harpy" as an INTP driven crazy by the activities of a Mare or Horseman ESFJ.

A harpy was the mother by the West Wind Zephyros of the horses of Achilles.

Psi Cops (Role in the UK?)

In the Perseus System (idea pinched from Babylon 5 and adapted) the psychiatrists are called the Psi Cops. This is what they do, enforce the pseudo-scientific psychiatric laws. They do this with poisons, imprisonment without charge, for the benevolence of the community at large, which roughly translated means the stakeholders = people with money and property. The Psi Cops have never cured anyone. It is not their job.

Actually, they are labelled as Doctors so they have a duty to "do no harm" to the patient. In this way the State should not use them as soldiers against dissent.

Benefit dispensors are agents of behalf of a party. Crims and psychopaths (=enemies) may be good at manipulating Feeling types in the employment of the Social Services against target dissenters in the community.

Psi CoRps are grown-up people and these may be psychologists. Unless, a Wolfman ENTJ has infiltrated the Social Services on behalf of a political party, who will then only dispense Psi advice to his wolf pack and psychologically torture any opponents or rivals.

Political World

In England, UK, the Mental Health Services are under political control. And so ostensibly are the Intelligence Services.

This means if the Fascists are voted in (by deceiving the public) they will use the Social Services to silence dissenters. They send a Stalking Horse (ESFJ) after them, or Lilith (ISFP), to corrupt them so they can be blackmailed. Complaining is a Personality Disorder, and using the Millon Scale (the Spinning Top) they can ascribe any one they want to their victim.

The answer would for each political party to have their own mental health and wellbeing services, so if are a Green supporter you do not have to suffer under the Purple party (religious Conservatives) or Dark Blue (secular Conservatives) or Black (Fascists).

Harvey

[QUOTE=bluebell;1278453]In answer to the OP, from what I've read, there is no correlation between PTSD and paranoid schizophrenia.

[/QUOTE]

Beside Yourself

Because they are both an invention by the Freudians. MTBI and variants postulate a different way of looking at the world. If you cannot find a friend/mate you have to find a God. Best not a vengeful jealous God. There are some Crazy FS people out there. That's a Black Rabbit in the family.

http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?p=1278479#post1278478

What planet are you on?

[quote=ENXJ;208125][The now-extravagant text in my quote of you is what I'm responding to]

From what I can tell, you differ highly from standard MBTI (which I do as well) by essentially saying that Perception is a function just as Feeling is - is what I'm interpreting correct?

And on a side note, when you say "from a different planet"...heh, it makes me wonder - and you perhaps a "starseedist"?[/quote]

The term for the Doors is "mode" from the Latin "modus" = measurement. Perception is an important mode, probably the most important and the Introversion-Extroversion the least important, such as this scale is virtually ignored for the Perseus System. This may include political or existential reality, but probably just reflects the need to earn a living or go to social events.

"What planet are you on?" he asked

"Far out"

http://personalitycafe.com/personality-test-resources/1699-paragon-test-post208365.html

Diamond-backed Rattlesnake ENTP

Eastern Diamond-backed Rattlesnake

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crotalus_adamanteus

Crotalus adamanteus is a venomous pitviper species found in the southeastern United States. It is the heaviest (though not longest) venomous snake in the Americas and the largest rattlesnake. No subspecies are currently recognized.

These snakes forage actively or lie in ambush for small mammals, especially rabbits and rice rats (Oryzomys). Their diet also includes birds. Prey is struck and released, after which they follow the scent trail left by the dying prey.

This species has the reputation of being the most dangerous venomous snake in North America While not usually aggressive, they are large and powerful. Wright and Wright (1957) mention a mortality rate of 30% and that some victims have died within a matter of hours.

In proportion to its length, it has the longest fangs of any rattlesnake species, with calculations leading us to expect that an 8-foot (240 cm) specimen would have fangs with a total length of 27 mm (over one inch).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crotalus_adamanteus

The Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake is one of the most feared snakes in the world and rightfully so. In addition to being the most venomous snake in North America, this ominous species is also the largest rattlesnake on Earth, averaging between 33 and 72 inches in length (Conant & Collins, 1998). The characteristic diamonds are dark brown or black in color, and are strongly outlined by a row of cream-colored or yellowish scales. The ground color of the Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake can vary from olive, to brown,to almost black on some individuals.

The Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake feasts primarily on rabbits, rodents, and even birds, and has demonstrated a readiness to capture prey at all times (Kimel, 2002). Like other members of the Viperidae family, this snake possesses large fangs which it uses to inject large quantities of venom into its prey. In fact, its fangs are of greater length in proportion to its overall size than any other poisonous snake in North America (Ditmars, 1933). The bite of this large predator is easily fatal for humans, often within an hour's time (Ditmars, 1933). However, human fatalities are rather rare and this snake will usually only bite a human if provoked and provided with no escape options (Stejneger,1893). Crotalus adamanteus is an ultimate "sit and wait" predator, using its natural body camouflage to blend in with its surroundings and sit silently until prey comes within striking distance of its deadly venomous fangs. A single bite with its fangs is easily enough to kill rodents, rabbits, and other common prey.

The Eastern Diamondback provides food for king snakes, eastern indigo snakes, red-tailed hawks, great horned owls, and many other species.

http://people.wcsu.edu/pinout/herpetology/cadamanteus/index.html

Kingsnakes are a type of colubrid snake that are members of the Lampropeltis genus, which also includes the milk snake along with another four species and 45 sub-species.

Lampropeltis means "shiny shield" (from Greek λαμπρος, "shine" + πελτα, "small shield"), a name given to them in reference to their dorsal scales. The majority of kingsnakes have quite vibrant patterns on their skin. Kingsnakes use constriction to kill their prey and tend to be opportunistic when it comes to their diet; they will eat other snakes (ophiophagy), including venomous snakes, lizards, rodents, birds and eggs. The Common Kingsnake genus are known to be immune to the venom of other snakes and are known to eat rattlesnakes (note - Kingsnakes are not necessarily immune to the venom of snakes from different localities.). The "king" in their name (as with the king cobra) references their taste for other snakes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_snakes

The Great Horned Owl, Bubo virginianus, is a large owl native to the Americas. It is an adaptable bird with a vast range and is the most widely distributed true owl in the Americas.

Owls have spectacular binocular vision allowing them to pinpoint prey and see in low light. The eyes of Great Horned Owls are nearly as large as those of humans and are immobile within their circular bone sockets. Instead of turning their eyes, they turn their heads. Therefore, their neck must be able to turn a full 270 degrees in order to see in other directions without moving its entire body.

An owl's hearing is as good – if not better – than its vision; they have better depth perception and better perception of sound elevation (up-down direction) than humans. This is due to owl ears not being placed in the same position on either side of their head: the right ear is typically set higher in the skull and at a slightly different angle. By tilting or turning its head until the sound is the same in each ear, an owl can pinpoint both the horizontal and vertical direction of a sound.

These birds also have 500 pounds per square inch of crushing power in their talons. An average adult human male has about 60 pounds per square inch in his hands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Horned_Owl

Condor INTP Griffin

The Andean Condor (Vultur gryphus) is a species of South American bird in the New World vulture family Cathartidae and is the only member of the genus Vultur. Found in the Andes mountains and adjacent Pacific coasts of western South America, it is the largest flying land bird in the Western Hemisphere.

Note Gryphus (the Griffin) in the scientific name and the connection with medicine. Picture above.

Eight Jungian Functions

Summary: The Eight Jungian Functions

Extraverted Sensing—The Scout

* Objectively collects data through the five senses

* Focuses on the current moment

* Focuses on experiences that provide the most stimulation

Introverted Sensing—The Conservator

* Experiences present situations triggering perceptions of past situations, including the internal responses to the past situation

* Compares the present to the past

* Maintains objects and traditions

Extraverted Intuiting—The Brainstormer

* Sees connections and possibilities in the external world

* Generates multiple possibilities

* Focuses on how things and relationships could be

Introverted Intuiting—The Seer

* Sees connections and possibilities in the internal world

* Views situations from multiple perspectives until the “best” is perceived

* Recognizes and values symbols

Extraverted Thinking—The Administrator

* Organizes the resources necessary to achieve measurable goals

* Objectively and logically organizes people and resources

* Evaluates performance against measurable standards

Introverted Thinking—The Analyzer

* Organizes ideas and information into functional categories

* Builds an understanding of how things and ideas work

* Uses categories and understandings to make decisions

Extraverted Feeling—The Guide

* Initiates and maintains social networks

* Organizes the people in harmonious social networks to complete valuable activities

* Seeks to maintain relationships

Introverted Feeling—The Conscience

* Seeks to understand what is truly important: their deeply held values

* Makes value based decisions to maintain personal integrity

* Helps others maintain their integrity

from

http://www.entp.org/discuss2/showthread.php?t=3261

Eli

El, the Phoenician Cronus

When Hellenes encountered Phoenicians and later, Hebrews, they identified the Semitic El, by interpretatio graeca, with Cronus. The association was recorded as late as Philo, reported in Eusebius' Præparatio Evangelica I.10.16, as Peter Walcot observed.[3]

The account ascribed by Eusebius to the semi-legendary pre-Trojan War Phoenician historian, Sanchuniathon, indicates that Cronus was originally a Canaanite ruler who founded Byblos and was subsequently deified. This version gives his alternate name as Elus or Ilus, and states that in the 32nd year of his reign, he emasculated, slew and deified his father Epigeius or Autochthon "whom they afterwards called Uranus". It further states that after ships were invented, Cronus, visiting the 'inhabitable world', bequeathed Attica to his own daughter Athena, and Egypt to Thoth the son of Misor and inventor of writing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cronus

Tweeter & the Monkey Man

The undercover cop was found face down in a field
The monkey man was on the river bridge using Tweeter as a shield
Jan said to the Monkey Man "I'm not fooled by Tweeter's curl
I knew him long before he ever became a Jersey girl"

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Tweeter-And-The-Monkey-Man-lyrics-George-\
Harrison/BD52FA6F1B03EC7A4825695E0021AA24

Decoding:

Tweeter (aka Twat is the Horseman driver) who is the Police Informer (Jersey
girl). The Cop is after the Monkey Man cause he thinks he is a Copperhead
(deadly Snake).

If the Monkey Man had chosen different parents, he could have been a Popcorn
seller or a dealer in real estate, or a rock 'n roll troubadour.

Bash the Reporter over the head with the Guitar until he is Dead

Bash the Reporter (Wicked Messenger) over the head with the Guitar until he is Dead

Fate says; 'the common things of life'.

At the film's savage climax, Friend attacks Uncle Sweetheart, and is in turn attacked by Fate then Cupid - who murders him. As we watch the journalist bleed to death, it's hard not to think that Fate/Dylan is getting his revenge for a lifetime of intrusion - but when Fate is falsely accused of the murder, and taken off for sentence, we realise that things are not as straightforward as that.

http://www.sonyclassics.com/masked/andrew-motion-essay.html

The recurring message of the Wicked Messenger throughout Dylan's poetry.

And the acceptance of Fate.

Fate meets his fate without complaining, and in his silence seems to assent to the accusation made against him.

But the film does seem to indicate Dylan is a Context Operator PNIT (INTP variant*). The context is:

In a fictional America caught up in a civil war that is tearing the nation apart, a benefit concert is being organized. A traveling troubadour named Jack Fate is sprung from jail by his scheming former manager, Uncle Sweetheart, to headline a concert with the expectations to bring peace to a country that is entrenched by chaos, lawlessness and pandemonium.

(*In Perseus Modern Animism this would be an Eagle transforming to one of the rarer venomous snakes, which can only thrive in a specialised habitat, or dies in an inhospitable one. Could be a Moccasin? Maybe a Copperhead?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agkistrodon_contortrix

Doctor Who

Doctor Who is a shape shifter, but what is basic type? It is a diifferent Galaxy from the Terran Empire "S" types and introspectives "N" types form the Jovian planets (sometimes called Foreigners or Aliens). .

But as a Time Lord from Gallifrey, this I assume to be a Jovian planet in their Star System. Time Lords are intuitively thought to be INTP. However, the Doctor is reprobate and he may have regressed to a scatty INFJ.

However, the two hearts put a different perspective on things. He is probably a dual processor operating two types at the same time.

Commoners and Villains

They hang the man and flog the woman

That steal the goose from off the common,

But let the greater villain loose

That steals the common from the goose.

The law demands that we atone

When we take things we do not own

But leaves the lords and ladies fine

Who take things that are yours and mine.

The poor and wretched don't escape

If they conspire the law to break;

This must be so but they endure

Those who conspire to make the law.

The law locks up the man or woman

Who steals the goose from off the common'

And geese will still a common lack

Till they go and steal it back.

- English folk poem circa 1764

Four Riders Approaching

All Along the Watchtower

by longsword on Thu 10 Feb 2005 04:00 PM CST | Permanent Link | Cosmos

In Bob Dylan's semi-apocalyptic song All Along the Watchtower, two riders are seen approaching the castle in which the princes and their servants are keeping view. At their approach a wildcat growls in the distance as a howling storm gathers.

Lately, however, the newest reports from the watchtower have announced that there actually appear to be four riders approaching, and it is not just reports from the looney fringe of the Christian "end times" mob, but from serious and reflective historians and social scientists.

To effect this end, societies have evolved four institutions, which are four special or formal modes of speech, as guardians of one of the four fronts of time and space. State and Church, (or politics and religion), address the future and past respectively. They correspond to destiny and origin, or anticipation and memory. Art and Science, (or song (poetry) and mathematics), address the inward and outward spatial fronts, the fronts the point toward the Soul or toward Nature. The decay of any one of these institutions can imperil society, by opening the door to one or more of the four enemies.

http://www.darkage.ca/blog/_archives/2005/2/10/313364.html

John Wesley Hardin'

Messenger: I would like to warn you that John Wesley Hardin' is a bad man; he packs a pistol and shoots people dead.

Justification: Well nobody is perfect, I know you have heard whispers, but have you actually seen him shoot a person down dead?

Messenger: It is well known amongst the lawmen (he is as crazy as Joey Gallo). He is a gambler and a thief.

Justification: You are multiplying small incidents out of context. So he plays cards and forgets to pay for a drink. Does that make him an outlaw?

Messenger: Jesus Christ you .......

Reply: They refused him to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wesley_Hardin

The Wicked Messenger from Eli

The Wicked Messenger from Eli

The Wicked Messenger is a song written and originally performed by Bob Dylan for his album John Wesley Harding. The song was recorded in Columbia's Studio A, Nashville, on November 19, 1967.

"What I'm trying to do now is not use too many words," Dylan said in a 1968 interview. "There's no line that you can stick your finger through, there's no hole in any of the stanzas. There's no blank filler. Each line has something." According to Allen Ginsberg, Dylan had talked to him about his new approach, telling him "he was writing shorter lines, with every line meaning something. He wasn't just making up a line to go with a rhyme anymore; each line had to advance the story, bring the song forward.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_Messenger_%28song%29

The song revolves around a character, a "wicked messenger", who has been sent by Eli, a priest in the Books of Samuel. For the critic Andy Gill, "this eponymous messenger is, of course, Dylan himself, the bringer of harsh truths".[7] The lyrics are somehat opaque ("When questioned who had sent for him/He answered with his thumb/For his tongue it could not speak but only flatter"), and the song ends with a sardonic, slightly cryptic moral, "And he was told but these few words/Which opened up his heart/"If ye cannot bring good news, then don't bring any"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wicked_Messenger

Wikipedia Eli (Bible)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_%28Bible%29

There was a wicked messenger

From Eli he did come,

With a mind that multiplied

The smallest matter

http://www.lyricsdirectory.com/index/B/Bob%20Dylan/Bob%20Dylan%20-%20The%20Wicked%20Messenger%20lyrics.htm

My View (Andy the Greek):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_%28god%29

In ancient myths, Cronus (=Eli) envied the power of his father, the ruler of the universe, Uranus. Uranus drew the enmity of Cronus' mother, Gaia, when he hid the gigantic youngest children of Gaia, the hundred-armed Hecatonchires and one-eyed Cyclopes, in Tartarus, so that they would not see the light. Gaia created a great adamant sickle and gathered together Cronus and his brothers to persuade them to castrate Uranus. Only Cronus was willing to do the deed, so Gaia gave him the sickle and placed him in ambush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cronus

Crazy Horse (Black Unicorns)

To the Black Unicorn, the ENTP is a Sidewinder ready to strike. In the circumstances the Unicorn feels compelled to stamp out the Serpent by methods like Murder, Gangstalking using Bulls ESTJ and Guard Dogs ISTJ.

The moral is never give the ESFJ power or alcohol or else he will go Crazy Horse. They are better on Heroin or Mary Jane. Pacification mates are obedient Dogs ISTJ. Put them with a Ferret ENFP are you have a Crazy Horse. It is a nightMare for everybody on the plains.

Terran Empire

Terra Mater or Tellus was a goddess personifying the Earth in Roman mythology. The names Terra Mater and Tellus Mater both mean "Mother Earth" in Latin; Mater is an honorific title also bestowed on other goddess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_%28mythology%29

Dialogue: Primitive Types

Sometimes you find that the male of the humankind species has regressed in a manner more primitive than a Neantherdal. This is, of course, Homo erectus.

Overview from alien visitors from the Jovian planets.

Exist does God

As an INTP capable of Extreme Logical Thinking, I can categorically say that it can be proven beyond any doubt whatsover that Exist does God. (English Language version)

If God does Exist, than Exist does God.

The disciples* may tend to debate the nature of God, and forget to debate the nature of Existence. For Greek fans of logic; the two ologies are Philosophy and Theology. The secular and religious state (power structure).

*This a new term introduced; which is creative thinking.

The last post got lost

cf.

The Sore Dragon: Search results for istigkeit (PN) (Keirsey NF)

http://soredragon.blogspot.com/search?q=istigkeit

with

ontology (NP) (Keirsey NT)

The NF/PN religious argument says that the ontological method of Thinking is Amazing (=incorrect). Perseus says it is a political struggle between two ideologies.

http://personalitycafe.com/critical-thinking-philosophy/9173-help-counterarguing-argument-proves-god-exists-post199573.html